Worse than the pandemic itself is how many are dealing with…

Im perfectly controlled but the four people on my street who have comit suicide since Christmas (two of whom had lost their businesses because of covid) and the murder suicide around the corner just shows we are not in normal times.

We are not in normal times, we are in the middle of a pandemic

yes we are. Doesnt explain why we copied the lockdown model rather than the systems we had prepared for such an event based on science.

A little bit of endurance?

So we are told. Even allowing for that, freedom is still more valuable than a dictatorship offering protection. No pandemic is as deadly as moving towards communism.

Oh dear, here we go... another lunatic SJW
I understand everyone's frustration, I don't understand some people's stupidity. Latest generations of parents really failed on education...

So you are saying you are not free?

It's genuinely debatable. The slide is always towards less freedom. In Melbourne people were put under house arrest by the government with no warning. Police patrolled their building. These people commited no crime.

Im not an SJW. I just think its odd that we all has systems in place based on recommendations by experts in their field but as soon as the pandemic hit we abandoned them. What was the point in creating plans only to ignore them?

What systems based on science would you recommend?

Im only allowed outside my house for food shopping and exercise and I am only permitted to travel 5km. Its been that way for 20 of the last 22weeks.

the plans each country had in place for a pandemic. Heres the British one which was thrown out last March https://www.england.nhs.uk/publication/operating-framework-for-managing-the-response-to-pandemic-influenza/

And when the dust settles, we will have less freedom and the government has more power. Freedom has been an ever shrinking space for a long time.

Hey, don't link me, explain it with your own words or fuck off, tail between legs

This too shall pass, you will see, we will be back to normal.

Hostility shows the debate is over.

you asked which system I would recommend based on science. I linked you the actual plan you asked for created by experts in anticipation of a pandemic.

Laziness can end this debate, nothing else.

how do you use the troll toll thing? 😃

Ok, let's try it differently, what are the most important things you would do if you were in charge?

follow the guidance that was laid out after decades of publically funded research.

Just leave it. Nothing to gain when the anger boils over.

So, you don't know, you can't name one practical measure you would take?

It's difficult and I'd probably make errors too. I always err on the side of personal choice. I fear communism more than the pandemic. Not saying people aren't dying but for me it's the lesser of 2 evils. I'm not against vaccines, masks etc.

No, Im not an expert which is why I would stick with the plan the experts made in the document you are too lazy to take a look at. Have a lovely day.

You haven't even read it or you don't understand it, you can't say one thing you would do but here you are, saying that everybody in charge in the entire world is wrong.

/trolltoll set @243 $10.10

/trolltoll @37927 $1000

Yes, this is something that is already being tackled, is not an apocalyptic disaster, and things will be back to normal.
It is not that difficult is it? Or am I being too harsh?

It's a global scam and the virus is being used to enslave people. You're blaming the victim.

Since the UK mutation there are mainly healthy 30+ on the ICU, one ICU patient need 15 ICU health care workers while 20% of them are sick home. When never in hospital COVID recovery can take 6+ months tens of thousands people in each country who can't work

If they're healthy, why are they on the ICU?

They just want access to Kreg

30+ healthy people, no other illness, <BMI get damaged lungs because UK COVID mutation, get low blood oxygen levels, get first extra oxygen can be weeks in not ICU part hospital, when not recovering they move to ICU to lay weeks on stomach to breath better

You are not seeing the forest for all the trees. If the 'rona is so dangerous, why did not more die in Sweden, in 2020. Official death statistics are out and it was the 7th or 8th best year ever. 2020 was a great year in terms of people not dying.

Compare rona death rate to vaccines death rate than get back to me...

Problems ICU: because sick ICU employees there is no capacity, with young people you can't pull the plug, who will you let survive?
Problems not ICU: to many people can't work after getting better from COVID at home, nobody knows if they can work again.

How is it a global scam?

And please, don't link me, please try and explain it in your own words.

It's being used as an excuse to abuse everyone a lot.

That's not very fair I think. What would you do? The "do nothing" scenario can be very bad.

What is the survival rate?

The answer to that question alone, without any need to question the reported data, is sufficient.

I checked your Sweden has no excess deaths claim and it's false!
Sweden had two COVID-19 waves, 1st till 45% and 2nd till 30% excess deaths compared with 2015-2019
https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/excess-mortality-p-scores?country=SWE~BEL~BGR~POL~GBR~BRA

Didn't say that.
https://twetch.app/t/fa4fd799075c07abf6e10f7e2d95f85832ac84ae5314b0bc3fdfe6f71d62382c

If that graph makes you so scared that you want to impose tyranny on others, we have nothing in common.

The only people who scare are who do not follow the rules as social distancing, masks and the advice to take a vaccine. People as @River make people afraid for governments while she probably never met friends or people who had COVID-19 and where very sick.

Covid seems slightly worse than regular flu, hence the small uptick in deaths 2020 as you can spot in the graph. You and your family can take the precautions you deem fit. Forcing businesses to shut down and families to lock themselves inside is wrong.

Wrong, cruel, and controlling.

This group help to save people from becoming ill or dying is needed because 0% had COVID-19 and still only 15-20% had it. The data we see are with all rules, without, virus load is bigger, is more ill, is more deaths with each infection. Economies recover.

Bad sophism everyone knows someone who died from covid or another disease