Twetch ·
how do u reconcile jesus' sacrifice with Randian philosophy? @4 @2 @ all
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Twetch ·
1. I dont think Christianity is about self-sacrifice. God wants you to have strong boundaries. For example Corinthians 9:7
2. Also Randian philosophy is a bunch of poo poo, so I disregard it.
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nice verse
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You quoted St. Paul. St. Paul never met Jesus, never quoted Jesus & does not mention any event or miracle in Jesus's life, his disciples, his mother etc. Also 6 of the 13 letters attributed to him are proven forgeries.
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Jesus remains my idol despite all (Not raised Christian)
Not because I believe he was part man part god but because I think the concept of self sacrifice for the good of posterity on any scale is the measure for which we all subscribe to for posterity
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The narrative is powerful in itself not any specificities of the gospel
Again, not a Christian, but the archetype of a god fearing, god loving, man of the people, of the sick, the indigent, who loses everything for them is a strong archetype to aspire to
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Also convinced he was a shaman and had extensive experience with psychedelics and out-of-body experiences connecting with the non-physical realm of spirits and entities
Just in case any Catholics were excited about my devotion
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The archetype you referenced is ABRAHAM. If you are Christian or Jewish, you believe he was going to sacrifice his son Isaac, if Muslim, his son Ishmael . All three religions stem from this event. Christians just repeated it. The Father sacrificing the Son
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No I think Jesus represents a progression of that archetype. Sacrifice for your blood is not the same as sacrifice for posterity in general. The former is ingrained biologically and the latter is a moral development in human culture
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Sacrifice of the son Jesus to god the father is not as interesting to me as the sacrifice of an influential man in favour of the generations to come-not of his bloodline but of his ideological heritage. Love the idea of thoughts permeating beyond blood/man
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Jesus is a progress in the prototype because he was actually sacrificed (in the story), whereas Abraham was stopped by God's hand. I know that part doesn't interest you (I find it morbid) but Christianity wouldn't exist without this sacrifice.
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I doubt Abraham was stopped is likely an after redaction of the story. Name change of the sacrifice (Isaac vs Ishmael as you pointed out) shows multiple versions floating round. I bet first version was pro-human sacrifice then later taboo & redacted.
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It might be the willingness of sacrifice vs. sacrifice in itself. If your mindset is geared towards giving everything up in the name of a higher power you will be gifted with what you desire
Not a historical justification but a metaphysical reading
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One of the lines that always perplexed me was: “My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?”
Those sound like the words of a man regretting the situation he got himself in, not a demigod
it interests me in that it draws a line between freewill and fate
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That was Mathews version of Jesus's last words & yes he is not in control.
John 19:30: It is finished. (He is in control)
Luke 23:46: Father, into thy hands I commit my spirit. (He decides)
They are not recounting the biography of a historic figure.
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“If thou be the son of god, command that these stones he made bread. But Jesus resisted the temptation.”
Lol as if anyone could do that if they wanted to
Mans starving in the wilderness resisting the urge to magically turn rocks into food
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There needs to be some balance between accepting the challenge of Satan and wealth (materialism, angel fallen from the sublime into the rational) and submitting to a higher power that views humanity in a scope beyond competition and capitalistic success
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That said, I like the idea of Jesus’ final temptation being his sacrifice and the final veil of Satan, and his resurrection as a folly that has driven humanity towards the moment we are in now.
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Rand succumbs to this form of Satan - reverence of the rational, deification of great men as the ultimate ideal. Rearden to me is admirable but I would never want to emulate his sad life - Dagny is most appealing, free in her relationships AND her ambition