All socialists want is fair contract negotiation. The reaso…

Easy solution:
Work for yourself.

Sure! Of course that's possible only if you have access to capital. So wouldn't you agree that everyone should be given enough access to capital to be able to work for themselves? See for instance "mutualism." <3

Thats where the socialists come in.
You can freely come together and share capital, resources, land, whatever you want.
Just leave the rest of us alone, don't try and take our resources and try not to murder us.

That would be great.

Yup, right, that's the idea. Glad we agree. ;)

Great! In that case you need neither a revolution nor use the state to redistribute.

I respect socialists who share what they have with other socialists, build worker-owed businesses and so on.

And if it should work out great, others may want to join!

I'm personally an anarchopacifist so I can't speak for those who support states or violence. :) Most socialists consider revolution to be an inevitable consequence of the owners' anger at having the compliance of labor withdrawn and contracts renegotiated.

Yes? I thought most socialists want a revolution to 'redistribute' (steal) wealth and 'seize' (steal) the means of production.

A commonly discussed tactic that's likely to lead to revolution is the general strike. A general strike is just when enough workers stop working that the entire economy stops functioning. It's just a voluntary non-action demonstrating the power of work. <3

Sounds like extortion to me...
If you don't agree to the contract don't take the job, how about that?

If you don't like the behavior of certain companies don't work for them and don't buy from them.

Build a worker owned business instead. Easy.

Hypercapitalists have socialist and communist tendencies.

They often use regulations and nepotism to quarantine there businesses from competition.

You all have problems.
Stop with the better than thou mentality.

'Hypercapitalists have socialist and communist tendencies.'

How so? Does a hypercapitalist, whatever that is, want the state to meddle with the economy??

'You all have problems.
Stop with the better than thou mentality.'

This made my day.

Segwit is another example of a hypercapitalist control tactic.

Hypercapitalism always depends on someone else's loss in order to gain.

Socialism is hypercapitalism, communism is hypercapitalism.

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Faaaahhhhhhhck

in communism it is impossible to price goods in the first place.

You're misunderstanding the situation. Socialists just want to organize labor to negotiate collectively in order to have a stronger hand to get a better deal. Capitalists (not you, capitalists!) are who consistently respond with violence to maintain power.

You don't make any argument here for why having a random subset of individuals in charge of all of the capital necessary to produce value (and therefore logically the entire economy) is the only way to price goods. Actually it makes fair prices impossible.

with Economic Calculations in a Socialist Commonwealth by Ludeig Von Mises

This seems to be an extended argument against central planning. I agree that central planning isn't a good idea (though historically it did grow economies following this essay). So is there more to it than that, should I bother to give it a closer reading?

I think its very important piece

Also it's so confusing to me to blithely cite his logic from 1920 about how socialist central planning definitely logically has to fail at growing economies when the historical facts following that prediction are ... not that. That's, uh, kinda awkward. :/

Um well here's a rebuttal: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sHcaGX67-9s

The thing is the points it makes just don't connect. As it says in that video, it's the false dilemma logical fallacy. They're only relevant points if you're talking to a total tankie.