When you say "religion" I take it you mean "organized relig…
When you say "religion" I take it you mean "organized religion"? Because "finding my own path" for me, is deeply religious. Religion means "unity" we are all looking for unity with something, the question is what.
The benefit of religion is something atheists love to deny: there is no universal ethics without religion. You NEED a metaphysical claim (like "God set us free"or "made in the image of God") to get to universal ethics and justify individual rights
Evolution can simply not get there. All it can do is situational ethics and moral relativism. It always end in "it's alright if we do it, because we are the good guys saving the world". Evolution can produce ethical rules for the ingroup, but not for the outgroup.
The "highest" form of "ethics" atheism/materialism can produce is utilitarianism, which seeks the greatest good for the greatest number of people. This of course means, that the individual and its rights get sacrificed. It means that its fine to throw the virgin into the volcano if that's what brings the rain.
Now, atheists are free to swim in this religious water and adopt universal ethics, but then don't pretend you are flying.
Are religious people good or proficient at universal ethics? Of course not. The animal part is strong in all of us.
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i dont think you need a metaphysical claim at all.
but I also don't fully believe in evolution. I believe in it to a degree, but humans specifically had their evolution advanced with other dna from other civilisations
For thousands of years philosophers have tried and failed.
In the material word, there is no root for universal ethics. Think about it: why would you not sacrifice one, if that saves the herd? It's inevitable.
To get out of it, you need an anker outside of materialism, a higher ideal.
doesn't that sound more like an excuse or escapism though?
@Brooz but I also don't fully believe in evolution. I believe in it to a degree, but humans specifically had their evolution advanced with other dna from other civilisations (i believe the same as you, still you are an atheist and i am religious ! )
oh I'm not saying religious and non religious or religious and atheists can't have similar beliefs on some topics.
but that's interesting that even as a religious person you have that view point
Not to me. To me it sounds like "finding our path" striving for some higher than material/animal existence.
I think humans are the animal that has the opportunity to be more than an animal. For that it is inevitable to adopt universal ethics, as in the Golden Rule.
What do you mean with Golden Rule ?
There are two main versions of it, positive and negative:
Treat others the way you would want to be treated.
Don't do to others what you wouldn’t want to be done to you.
They are essentially the spiritual antidote to the motto of the material/mental world's "might makes right" and "its fine when we do it"
but I don't think we have a higher existence. humans were engineered/created to be slaves/workers, that was our purpose.
let me ask you this, do you believe that there has been a civilisation in the past that was incredibly more technologically advanced than us?
Yes most likely a civalisation in the past was more tec advanced.
do you believe that they has knowledge and technology given to them by otherworldly beings?
had*
Humans were not created to be slaves .
I believe we were.
(I believe we were) , here i don't agree.
We are here and have the power to make change.
ok but because we don't agree, doesn't make the religious argument anymore more true or factual than my argument right?
this whole conversation is purely a matter of opinion as theres no physical evidence for either side.
and just because some Jews wrote a story doesn't make it fact lol