Y ·
It's actual experts studying the colapse proving that NISTSs model is complete bs. Showing how a collapse like WTC 7 is impossible without simultaneously taking out the columns. As you can aee with your own eyes:
https://youtu.be/Mamvq7LWqRU?feature=shared
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Leo ·
Ive seen the NIST explanation. Im no engineer so I cant understand how sound it is. But the NIST explanations modeled the collapse exactly as seen. Nothing in the visuals we see is left unexplained.
Leo ·
By the way... are you aware that this video is edited to remove the apparent evidence that the columns were not taken out simultaneously? If you look at the original video, you will see there is a penthouse on top that clearly collapses first - and some moments later the rest of the building collapses. Matching the official explanation that a set of columns under the penthouse were most affected by fire and were first to collapse, causing cascading failure moments later. You are using edited video to promote a clearly false conclusion that the columns had to be taken out simultaneously.
https://www.reddit.com/r/CatastrophicFailure/comments/ir25ka/figure_417a_video_of_wtc_7_collapse_perspective_1/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=mweb3x&utm_name=mweb3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button
Y ·
The video is edited to show the free fall collapse. Which is only possible if the entire structure goes at the same time.
Your reddit video is edited to show a longer version. Your idea that this has any effect on the explanation and that there's a conspiracy to hide the taking out of the core columns first is hilarious.
Nobody ever doubted that the core was removed first. In fact, that's exactly how experts say it is done.
Leo ·
The core columns are spread across the length of the building. Only the left side columns (in that video) are supporting the penthouse. They clearly gave way first. 1 set of core columns gets removed. The others along the length of the building stays intact for a few moments. The rest of the columns cant handle the weight without the left columns and start a progressive collapse. This matches the official narrative and not a controlled demolition narrative, and definitley contradicts your claim that the core columns all have to go at once. Controlled demolitions dont take out one side first.
Y ·
They take out the core first. As you can clearly see in every video of the collapse.
Here's some information from an expert on therite and thermate.
https://youtu.be/JZNQq7XBLwc?feature=shared
Leo ·
At this point youre just ignoring me. They didnt take out the core first. The core collapsed progressively. First one side, then after a long pause the next. Not simultaneous.
Y ·
https://youtu.be/kJwE65Y32Y4?feature=shared
Y ·
I'm sorry, it's just very hard to talk to someone who ignores all the experts and science and relies on government conspiracy theories.
Had you watched the movie where experts explain the collapse IN DETAIL, you wouldn’t say anything like that without feeling silly.
But you can choose at any point to allow reality into your worldview.
Y ·
Just listen to the experts.
https://youtu.be/Ddz2mw2vaEg?feature=shared
Leo ·
Theres nothing complicated. You're ignoring my refutation of your specific claim and changing the subject to thermite:
"a collapse like wtc 7 is impossible without simultaneously taking out the columns"
Do you maintain this claim? Did the full video not show columns collapsing separately as opposed to simultaneously?
Y ·
If you refuse to watch it, at least watch 15.41
Don't listen to me, listen to the experts. They'll explain it to you.
But yes, a building can only fall this way if all resistance is removed. This can imply two or more phases, first the core, then the rest.
Leo ·
I just watched it. At different points in the video one "expert" said you have to collapse all columns simultaneouly. Another "expert" said that the penthouse comes down first. Explain that to me.
Y ·
I just did... you are trying to use semantics because you don't like what the experts say.
They aren't saying that it has to happen all at the EXACT SAME MOMENT IN TIME. They are saying that unless all resistance is removed, which can be done in phases, a building cannot - and never has except on 9/11 - go down that way.
If the columns failed on one side it wouldn't go into free fall. That's why we let engineers and experts build and design buildings. We don't want them to go into free fall just because one side is damaged. And they don't.
Leo ·
They "demolition" expert said that it looks like a controlled demolition where the cente of the core, the penthouse starts to come down first. But the penthouse was on the eastern core not central core. So we can completely disregard his "expertise"
Y ·
Trusting the government and its minions over the actual experts is a phenomenon of psychology.
You want daddy to be a good guy. And I get it. It's sweet. But daddy is a violent drunk, and the sooner you face that fact the better. But yes, it hurts at first.
It gets better once you realize it's not our real dad, but just a douchbag step-dad.
Leo ·
Lol ok. Onto the substance. So we can comfertablly reject your claim that it was simultaneous right? You are saying "if the eastern columns were cut a few seconds before the others thats ok". Fine.
The official narrative and independent investigations all acknowledge that all core columns gave way in very rapid succession. This is in all the models and narratives and seems perfectly reasonable.
You along with the "expert" in the video that says buildings are designed not to fail if one side gives are very clearly wrong. Progressive collapse can happen very fast. I can find you examples.
What we can almost certainly verify for ourselves is that one side of wtc7 collapsed first. That contradicts a standard controlled demolition.
The rest is speculation, and your "experts" speculation that the rest of the columns must have been removed simultaneously has nothing behind it, and the alternative narrative makes perfect sense to me:
The mainstream narrative:
In WTC 7, the visible penthouse drop told us collapse started on the east core. (Note that when the east core clearly collapsed where we saw the penthouse drop, the east side external walls stayed in the same place. The external walls can support themselves to some extent without the core)
But once enough core columns failed, the entire floor diaphragm system gave way, leaving the perimeter walls briefly unsupported.
When those walls failed, they did so together, which made the exterior look like a controlled, symmetric fall — even though the trigger wasn’t symmetric.
Y ·
If it helps you sleep, go with that.
You have access to all the evidence.
Leo ·
Ok, i was hoping you would be a more effective advocate for your narrative. I did start this stream to debate the evidence, not just endlessly share videos
Y ·
Neither you or I are experts.
I believe the thousands of professionals ans experts who point at the unfathomable inconsistencies in the official story.
You believe the government.
I'm perfectly fine with that. I hope you are too, even though I have no idea how such a thing can be achieved.
Leo ·
Want me to show you some videos and reports confirming the mainstream narrative that aren't govt affiliated? Will that help ease you into the possibility that you've been consuming false propaganda?
Y ·
Sure. Do it right after explaining why the thousands of experts who take the official narrative apart are all wrong.
Then establish when experts are to be trusted and when not. Because you can't possibly claim that they can be trusted if they support the official government position and cannot be trusted if they don't.
Because that would be insane, right?
Keep in mind that there are strong incentives to align with those in power and speaking out against their bs comes at a price.
Leo ·
https://youtu.be/nP3TNHPCIVU?si=Zd9mXZVERed8O1Xj
https://youtu.be/KMvCWFCoVN4?si=CjqljeqMS7WcorWr
Hope you have the time and courage to watch these all the way through. To answer your question about experts.
I dont believe one side is wrong or right by virtue of which side they're on. I watch and listen what they have to say and judge to the best of my ability on the substance.
When I watch your videos, I just see a bunch of people saying: "Im an expert. It couldnt happen this way"
When I watch the videos below, I see detailed explanations, addressing most arguments and counter argument, visual models, detailed frame by frame analysis of video, and reasonable, logical explanations.
Mind you its not perfect, but its infinitely more compelling and reasonable than anything ive seen from your side.
Casey ·
We only need to see the "Dancing Israeli's" in order to know who was behind this.
Leo ·
Lets discuss it. What do you think the dancing israelis were? Ive seen evidence that they were israeli agents. But I haven't seen evidence that they had foreknowledge of the event.
It seem pretty reasonable for Israeli agents to want to record the terrorist event. Its even reasonable that they might be happy about it. That was never a secret that Israel benefited from US entering the war on terror.
Casey ·
Sure. Exactly what they looked like, Joyous Mossad Agents. I assume you missed the stories about the Vans which were stopped too? Thermite/Explosives were found, but they were let go. Even in the background of certain Images/Videos, there were boxes which were written upon and contained the very same things as to what were found in the Van(s).
On top of that, the insurance Policy was doubled only just prior (specifically for Terror Attacks). Almost all Jewish people did not attend work this day, nor did the building owner. As well as the footage of a Missile hitting the Pentagon, not another Plane. In case that wasn't enough, the Beams were 'slash cut' via heat. Exactly what happens during controlled demolition.
Leo ·
Lol. Thats pretty impressive. I think only 1 single claim out of all of those is true. Could you pick one you are most confident about so we can dissect it?
Slikmov ·
The 1 can test in the center of all the weight indicated that ALL THE WALLS on the lower level have to give out the support at the SAME TIME for the for the building to come down in a nice straight faction. For all the wall to get damage all round in an equal matter is mere in possible unless is controlled. The one can test in the center is misleading.
Leo ·
We know for a fact the east collumns came down 8 seconds before any part of the outside wall came down. We see video of the East penthouse collapsing first. Yet the external wall stands. Because the external wall can support itself briefly, and is not pulled down by the core columns (again we know this because we saw the east columns under the penthouse collapse)
In those 8 seconds after the east collumns collapsed, what you dont see is the rest of the core collumns collapse progressively inside. Only after enough of the core collumns collapsed did the outside frame start to go. At that point there were no more internal collumns, and it all came down at once - giving the illusion of simultaneous implosion of the core. But it wasnt simultaneous, it had been progressively collapsing for 8 seconds already.
Slikmov ·
The other illusion is that all this did not happen or planned in 1 day. For the outsider of this great plan to the world it took years in the making. If T.V shows talked about about this 911 plan 2 years out then the Hundred of brains and there minions went in to action to make it look to us or you one brain ( against 100's) that it was just a coinkydink. it has taken over 20 years for the people to feel free to start looking or talking about it. Hey maybe you are complete right in what happened, maybe there foul play went there way physics and mother nature came magically together and you are correct that's very possible. You proved 1 thing out of there 99 evil things they have done. so now what.