@Rob Haisfield live stream discussing chatting with glue by…

!time:05:28 Start, post-logistics.

!time:06:40 Quick Summary of Chapter 1: there is a lot of information that comes across above and beyond the words in the text. An example is gesturing with hands to emphasize.

!time:08:04 Chat/Communication structure conveys meaning and influences how we interact: medium is the message. Linear chat streams linearize conversations obscuring the meandering nature of face to face conversations and thinking. Chats are less ephemeral than face to face convos because they record the conversation. Chats compress information by relying on text to convey meaning eliminating channels like facial cues or hand gestures.

!time:12:10 Slack allows one-level of threading and multiple channels. These structures convey meaning above and beyond what's possible in a linear stream of messages. What meaning does slack's structure convey?

!time:13:13 Core question: what is it about conversation that enables thought?

why chatting with glue?

!time:14:10 Core question: what does a computer conversation enable that face to face doesnt?

!time:14:30 core question: how can we design conversations? socratic? group? one on one?

!time:15:25 Expand on why conversations improve thinking? "Questions and thoughts of others take my thoughts in new directions." Some type of responses lead to better conversations, eg. "Yes, and..." Explaining an idea forces you to articulate it similar to how Feynman method works.

!time:17:20 chapter 2

!time:18:00 "Ideas are bricks and time is the scaffolding" - Max Krieger

!time:19:15 "Topics split and converge, we wander and leave ourselves behind" -Max Krieger. Linear streams make messages ephemeral because "it's hard to come back to previous points". Channels help but the same ephemeral effect happens in a channel as messages scroll away. Channels imply there are only a few topics: force topic compression.

!time:20:33 "When our conversations go on for longer, the focus shifts, remarks jut out of their context and return again. My friend calls this popping off the stack."

!time:21:25 Core question: "How do we capture topic shifts and returns in a way that is legible?"

!time:22:00 Slack's existing thread implementation only allows a single branch. "I can't respond withing a thread by starting a new thread."

!time:22:30 Weakness of "outliner structure" is that the top level bullets can obscure the indented items. "Threads can lose whats important in outlines." Indented bullet implies that a message builds on its parent topic? Child bullet may actually be more important than parent bullet.

!time:28:03 Channels of communication: message content, color, emojis.

!time:29:20 Core question: how would chat design change with different groups sizes: diad, small group, boradcasting with comments, giant group with small breakouts?

!time:31:18 Our tools make connections, how can they also work to mark distinctions?

!time:33:00 Ambiguity of language limits the power of straight text search.

!time:37:00 Advantages of "bullet journals". Bullets split ideas into pieces making them more consumable. Bullets allow creation of relationships between each other, ie. bi-directional linking.

!time:38:00 challenge of bullet journals is that they're all text, not messages. no understanding of who is speaking.

!time:41:03 edit aren't atomic. hard to keep track of meaningful change in live documents.

!time:44:20 "core question? how might we track change in the idea over time?"

!time:44:55 the challenge with block references is that there are too many of them, can't reference every time. "How do we encourage linking messages with granularity"

!time:46:55 Additionally how can you remember you need to reference something? How can you know someone else said something related? This is why search links work.

!time:48:45 RH: can't remove time element. need a level of zoom. DF: not sure i understood this.

!time:52:00 Recusive summarization to enable hierarchical exploration but in linear chat newer things are prioritized...

!time:53:43 RH: issues with outlining structure

!time:1:01:20 RH: splitting = making message/ideas atomic. DF: totall agree. I send many texts.

!time:1:07:49 glue space = tree space + leaf space. core questions: what is worth notifying about?

!time:1:13:00 leaf space = timeline showing whats new

 source: Chatting with Glue by Max Krieger