Pretty much all of the big-wigs at the forefront of the sup…

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Pretty much all of the big-wigs at the forefront of the supposed opposition movement in the US are current or former liberals. Trump, Kennedy, Musk, Gabbard, Peterson, Weinstein, Brand, Rogan... I'm not saying I disagree with everything they say, not at all. I'm just noticing.

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metamitya ·

Count me among those. I voted left all my life, because I was pro free-speech, anti-war, etc. Also, had a much less sophisticated understanding of the world and the nature of the administrative state. I was imprisoned in the matrix.
The reason you see the flip is because the Managers switched the parties. The parasite jumped hosts. Mostly because Trump ran as a republican and for all his failings, Trump at least makes some of the right noises, and has some capability to act independently of the admin state... So the Managers came at him from the left, in the process eviscerating its pro-freedom, anti-war wing. Many principled people left then.

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I look at it like that: the communist state apparatus is like a wrecking ball destroying individual rights by swinging from right to left and from left to right. But at this level of the game you have to account for the possibility of pretty much the entire opposition that is in the spotlight being controlled one way or another. Controlling the opposite is the single most important part of holding and consolidating power. Rulers have known this for millennia. I don't think the rulers switch sides. They are always at the center of both sides. Think of the Clinton's

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...and the Bushes as ruling families (or agents of ruling families) that are deeply embedded on both sides.

metamitya ·

yes, exactly. this is what i meant by "less sophisticated understanding" i bought into the left-right game without understanding the deep state, the managerial state, the administrative state whatever you want to call it... "the establishment", the globalist agenda, the global elite. of course part of the problem is that we are in an information war so my ignorance then, and my ignorance now is engineered, ie. we are in an info war and so it is difficult to build accurate models of the world. a lot of my work here is motivated by this. how do we build tools to cut through the fog

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Yes. My entire thing is to try and get the foundations right. In my opinion everything starts to go wrong once we abandon the most basic ethics (individual rights based on the metaphysical claim of self-ownership). Once we accept exceptions because of a "greater good", thinking that the ends justify the means, all dams break. Nobody has ever been able to explain to me why you have to give people power (the privilege to violate other people’s (property) rights with impunity) in order to create order. All that creates is control, which is the opposite of order - and goes hand in hand with chaos, ironically.

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This being said, I'm not naive enough to think that people as a whole even want that. They don't. But I think it's worth fighting for the right to break away from the insanity- machine. In fact, I think this is the beauty of our time: when everything is turning to compost because of corruption, it's the perfect time to start planting seeds. Break-away communities based on individual (property) rights dedicated to creating order and freedom.

ruthheasman ·

I think those people you mentioned at the top are classical Liberals (self-possession, individual rights, capitalism), not the twisted version of liberalism (leftism) as we see it today. I stood for election as a classical Liberal (Liberal Democrats in the UK) many moons ago, but stopped when I saw they were the same morality-free, feckless liars as the other two parties, was disgusted by it and never wanted to have anything to do with politics ever again. Philosophical liberalism is a beautiful thing, but politics isn’t—it attracts the worst elements of society. And then there’s the permanent government as @metamitya said, who are potentially the worst of all, because they don’t even need the appearance of virtue.

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That's a good point you are making. But these people were quite recently still democrats, and the democrat party hasn't been anywhere near classical liberalism for a long time. It's collectivist to the core while pretending to be the defender of individual rights. This means that the people we are talking about were either easily fooled, or they changed sides to turn the Republicans (even more than they already are) into democrats driving the speed limit. Either way, if you ask me, the stench of the uniparty is in the air.

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I'm checking out the Rescue the Republic event right now. The fact that I only see zoom-ins on the crowd seems to point at a terrible turnout. Just to reward their most likely good intentions I would have wished that hundreds of thousands turned up, but it looks like few people showed up.

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Wow. I'm not sure they broke even 1k

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It's probably been 3 or 4 thousand people, from what I can see and estimate. That's devastating.

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This is hilarious https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/opinion/2022-defeat-the-mandates-rally-returns-now-rescue-the-republic/ar-AA1rjxZZ

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😂😂😂https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/coalition-of-the-weird-mobilizes-for-trump/ar-AA1rrcJd

metamitya ·

we live in 2 different worlds

metamitya ·

whats crazy to me is how the establishment narrative can have any legitimacy while celebrating the person most responsible for leaking the bio weapon

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Faucci?

ruthheasman ·

'Weird' is the new anti-vaxxer / conspiracy theorist / Trumper. They jam it in every paragraph possible, hoping there's still enough people wanting to hide within the cover of 'correct' public opinion.

metamitya ·

the problem these establishment propagandists have is that no argument they can make can work. because the trust is gone. that's what is so sad about this. they have destroyed the credibility of the sense-making institutions in our civilization, and until a new mechanism is in place to sustain an honor culture their every claim has to be individually verified; this is often a difficult and sometimes impossible task. so people will just default to tribal allegiance, and this is a direct result of their weaponization of these institutions for power and money