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1KKwemSCUDZSyQ1Bs7bqfCocE5fogkpKw1 (725) ·
There is a difference in how Relica stores the image and how Twetch stores the image.
Relica will be more affordable to serve as a reliable record given they do not store the image, just a hash of the image. (you would need them or yourself to supply it)
1KKwemSCUDZSyQ1Bs7bqfCocE5fogkpKw1 (725) ·
Twetch stores the image inside of bitcoin transactions. At this time they are all held by the mining nodes.
1LeVwABdDk7BywKon6U1uMm7SrnTcSsHc2 ·
Speaking of images stored on blockchain, is there a way to remove illegal data? I just read an article outlining many cases that could kill a blockchain such as uploading …. I understand data gardening may be possible under BSV.
1KKwemSCUDZSyQ1Bs7bqfCocE5fogkpKw1 (725) ·
One of the first things the opponents of BSV did when OP_Return was hacked open was to upload … on the chain.
In the potential prosecution of individuals who posses the BSV chain, data carrier laws are likely applicable. Those protect biz.
1KKwemSCUDZSyQ1Bs7bqfCocE5fogkpKw1 (725) ·
https://blog.bsv.sh/the-prunability-and-non-permanency-of-your-data-the-case-of-op_return/
1KFTq3LLGBnAW8S2R7GFDvqGLkYydgZSiH ·
Great article. Thanks for posting it.
1JCYyCrfoVnMqspiqGSDxpmYvNcspGSx3E (12783) ·
"OP_Return hacked"? for those of us who are non-technically-minded historians Is it a more efficient way of processing transactions that was hacked? If someone uploaded something illegal, then he or she would expose themselves to legal action, no?
1LeVwABdDk7BywKon6U1uMm7SrnTcSsHc2 ·
Of course, but if you couldn’t remove that data it would be readable forever. This article may help.
https://coingeek.com/data-gardening-on-bitcoin-blockchain/
1KKwemSCUDZSyQ1Bs7bqfCocE5fogkpKw1 (725) ·
It will be hard to answer your question straightforward. Let me answer the second part here:
Any information available about the person who uploaded illegal content was given to the authorities, and always will be.
This would be things like server logs.
1KKwemSCUDZSyQ1Bs7bqfCocE5fogkpKw1 (725) ·
'hacked open' ie, OP_Return restriction lifted
history of OP_RETURN: https://www.talkcrypto.org/blog/2016/12/30/op_return-40-to-80-bytes/
Changes to OP_RETURN on BSV:
1KKwemSCUDZSyQ1Bs7bqfCocE5fogkpKw1 (725) ·
http://web.archive.org/web/20191105132912if_/https://www.yours.org/content/the-unfuckening-of-op_return-b10d2c4b52da
1KKwemSCUDZSyQ1Bs7bqfCocE5fogkpKw1 (725) ·
The way that opreturn has been popularized was not the way that the protocol was designed to push data as far as I am aware
1KKwemSCUDZSyQ1Bs7bqfCocE5fogkpKw1 (725) ·
Bitcoin was designed for financial transactions and extreme economy; hashes of data rather than data.
1KKwemSCUDZSyQ1Bs7bqfCocE5fogkpKw1 (725) ·
https://bitcoinsv.io/2019/07/27/the-return-of-op_return-roadmap-to-genesis-part-4/
1JCYyCrfoVnMqspiqGSDxpmYvNcspGSx3E (12783) ·
So can BSV be the place for honest journalism?
1LeVwABdDk7BywKon6U1uMm7SrnTcSsHc2 ·
Books have been posted to the blockchain. You could definitely write articles to it. You must pay to write it.
1JCYyCrfoVnMqspiqGSDxpmYvNcspGSx3E (12783) ·
How? and how do people access these books, students, people who simply have everyday curiosity, etc.?
1KKwemSCUDZSyQ1Bs7bqfCocE5fogkpKw1 (725) ·
https://www.bitpost.app/
https://canonic.xyz/
and probably others
1KKwemSCUDZSyQ1Bs7bqfCocE5fogkpKw1 (725) ·
You would need to be the one bringing the audience, @5532.
This twetch app has the biggest userbase in BSV afaik.
1JCYyCrfoVnMqspiqGSDxpmYvNcspGSx3E (12783) ·
not sure how these work, but I'll look into them And user stats in twetch and other BSV apps v e.g. substack, rokfin + the main tyrants FB, insta etc.? I clearly support BSV, but what is its social media user base and how can it grow?
1LeVwABdDk7BywKon6U1uMm7SrnTcSsHc2 ·
I guess it depends what your goal is. With the right tools you could even launch your own honest journalism website where it’s all written on the BSV blockchain.
1KKwemSCUDZSyQ1Bs7bqfCocE5fogkpKw1 (725) ·
https://twetch.app/t/85f8a4a83172806fb4042145d2766f664d9cba855e2857641761d7e6ceffa461
1KKwemSCUDZSyQ1Bs7bqfCocE5fogkpKw1 (725) ·
Internet money projects are a bit of a 'scene', with many anarchists, and the chief scientist of this project cannot stand them, and is the type to hold grudges and carry battles forward for years,
1KKwemSCUDZSyQ1Bs7bqfCocE5fogkpKw1 (725) ·
the effects of his battles from late 2019 are still impacting the reach of this project on exchanges, essentially blackballing it, and the chosen path has now shifted to excessive litigation on multiple fronts
Harder to get users, especially from 'crypto'
1LeVwABdDk7BywKon6U1uMm7SrnTcSsHc2 ·
I personally like his recent letter threatening litigation over stolen coins. Whether or not he actual owned them I feel there should be a way to return stolen coins. Chains don’t want to write the code to enable it. Precedent must be set.
1KKwemSCUDZSyQ1Bs7bqfCocE5fogkpKw1 (725) ·
You don't mind if he gets coins whether or not he actually owned them?
1LeVwABdDk7BywKon6U1uMm7SrnTcSsHc2 ·
I hope he did own them. But I feel the need to find a way return coins either sent to nonexistent addresses or lost/stolen needs to be addressed. No dev wants to touch it to keep up scarcity IMO.
1KKwemSCUDZSyQ1Bs7bqfCocE5fogkpKw1 (725) ·
I think the solution being proposed is quite different than the solution you are expressing interest in. This is coin retrieval in a very limited scope: those with an army of lawyers.
1LeVwABdDk7BywKon6U1uMm7SrnTcSsHc2 ·
I just felt that the hurdle is getting the code written to do it. And if he wins that code would need to be written. I feel for this guy. I think I would have been depressed for the rest of my life.
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-wales-55658942
1KKwemSCUDZSyQ1Bs7bqfCocE5fogkpKw1 (725) ·
Shadders wrote the code to do it months ago.
The guy you feel for, Howelzy, cannot stand Craig Wright, wants nothing to do with Craig Wright.
Furthermore Craig Wright himself thinks the guy is a liar in regard to losing the bitcoin.
1KFTq3LLGBnAW8S2R7GFDvqGLkYydgZSiH ·
I think the code to effect the return would be similar. I see the biggest challenge is how to get the recovery order to the miners in a way that can’t be abused. Something akin to the alert that was removed. Probably needs to require multiple signatures.
1JCYyCrfoVnMqspiqGSDxpmYvNcspGSx3E (12783) ·
yea maybe, I need to understand all this
1KKwemSCUDZSyQ1Bs7bqfCocE5fogkpKw1 (725) ·
Craig Wright stresses that the alert system is but only one solution.
1KKwemSCUDZSyQ1Bs7bqfCocE5fogkpKw1 (725) ·
Which sort of signatures are you referring to mate?
1KKwemSCUDZSyQ1Bs7bqfCocE5fogkpKw1 (725) ·
https://wiki.bitcoinsv.io/index.php/Digital_signatures_in_Bitcoin
or the signature of a judge?
to 'freeze' a UTXO and append a new unspent transaction output at the end of the chain doesn't require to follow the chain of signatures
1KKwemSCUDZSyQ1Bs7bqfCocE5fogkpKw1 (725) ·
The judge doesnt have the private key to sign the 'frozen' UTXO.
Rather it breaks the chain of signatures.
1KFTq3LLGBnAW8S2R7GFDvqGLkYydgZSiH ·
Instead of a single key like the alert, there would be several entities holding keys. To be valid, an agreed number of entities would need to sign the order. This would provide some level of resistance to a stolen/compromised key.
1LeVwABdDk7BywKon6U1uMm7SrnTcSsHc2 ·
I think the main challenge is to create some sort of arbitration process to approve/deny claims for returning coin.
1KKwemSCUDZSyQ1Bs7bqfCocE5fogkpKw1 (725) ·
Sure.
Although perhaps it would be better if they just Issued the mining rewards by signature each day so that people didn't have to run wasteful machines.
1KFTq3LLGBnAW8S2R7GFDvqGLkYydgZSiH ·
Thinking a multisig transaction that would freeze UTXO and reissue equivalent value to the plaintiff who won the case/arbitration.
1LeVwABdDk7BywKon6U1uMm7SrnTcSsHc2 ·
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1KFTq3LLGBnAW8S2R7GFDvqGLkYydgZSiH ·
Better? I’m taking that as sarcasm since it breaks the fundamentals.
Of course the entities would need to be trusted/honest/independent to prevent the improper manufacture of coins. The bar could be higher than the 51% generally used as honest node req.
1KFTq3LLGBnAW8S2R7GFDvqGLkYydgZSiH ·
I’m mainly trying to figure out how something like this could operate (I.e. reassignment of stolen coin)
1KKwemSCUDZSyQ1Bs7bqfCocE5fogkpKw1 (725) ·
I just figured since we were discussing breaking the fundamentals I should sarcastically take that line of thinking to the extreme.
If you ask me, the 'honesty' of a node is determined whether they are playing the game for profit.
1KKwemSCUDZSyQ1Bs7bqfCocE5fogkpKw1 (725) ·
Bitcoin is a system of economic incentives designed to make it more profitable to play the game as intended. If a miner isnt 'honest' it would mean they are willing to spend resources irrationally, which breaks bitcoin.
1KKwemSCUDZSyQ1Bs7bqfCocE5fogkpKw1 (725) ·
I struggle to find any connotations to honesty relating to the function of a courthouse until the plan was devised to take bitcoin by court order.
1KFTq3LLGBnAW8S2R7GFDvqGLkYydgZSiH ·
True. Disputes between entities are resolved in court though. If not CSW, I think it would have landed in court eventually. I think it healthy to discuss and determine how this type of situation would be handled.
1KKwemSCUDZSyQ1Bs7bqfCocE5fogkpKw1 (725) ·
Sure.
It can be managed all the way from a newspaper article declaring UTXO's frozen resulting in a blunt hack patch deployed by miners on the fly, to a well thought out specification that manages the breaking of the signatures in an automated fashion.
1KKwemSCUDZSyQ1Bs7bqfCocE5fogkpKw1 (725) ·
One thing that is rather unlikely in my view, is a multisignature scheme.
1LeVwABdDk7BywKon6U1uMm7SrnTcSsHc2 ·
I think he is just trying to set the rules of the game.