imagine thinking "grass fed" makes eating animals healthy
imagine thinking "grass fed" makes eating animals healthy
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When a plant is damaged it emits a stressful frequency. This frequency can be measured. Instead of me schooling you maybe get off you ass and research
imagine plants are dont have emotions dont have pain receptors dont have minds. imagine i am better than you and other sentient life
How do plants feel pain?
It does not seem equivalent to an animal showing pain. What do you eat then?
Carnists make the most psychotic justifications for their actions.
Not only are the vast majority of plant-based foods derived from the fruits of plants, but even tearing off pieces of plants is not equivalent to raping, torturing, and murdering animals.
Utter bullshit. You don't need to murder animals to sustain yourself at all, so calling it a sacrifice is beyond evil; sacrifice means "to make holy", and there's nothing remotely holy about unnecessarily murdering an animal.
@620 we have been over this before.. even if you do value plant and animal lives the same, you are doing more killing by consuming the animal because they first had to get the calories from plants
I eat a wide variety of food including meat. I am thankful for the sacrifice so I may live. I don't sit on a high horse smelling my own farts and judging what are lower forms of life so I don't feel guilty
What biological reasons?
Humans eating animals is healthy for biological reasons. This can not be disputed with reason.
Meat is food. Plants are medicine.
@468
Completely mistaken. Humans are physiologically optimized for eating plant foods exclusively, in fact even more so than other hominids which are almost entirely herbivorous.
@134 @4543 this article is an understandable primer on the vastly superior merits of meat as a human fuel, relative to plants:
http://www.gnolls.org/1444/does-meat-rot-in-your-colon-no-what-does-beans-grains-and-vegetables/
Enjoy your disinformation. I also hope you enjoy disease; you'll inevitably be experiencing plenty of it.
Can't argue against beef liver. Can't argue against ghee. Let people make their own choices. Discussions like these are pointless.
You can argue against ghee and dairy, and beef liver...I don't even know what to say; I have a hard time imagining something more toxic to humans.
And no, diet is not a personal choice when it involves the unnecessary rape, torture, and murder of animals.
@4543 馃挴
@4543 your morality based arguments carry no weight in the realm of biology.
Meat eating obviously requires murder, but to avoid it for that reason is to deny your humanity. A healthy mind comes to terms with this and finds peace in a balanced universe.
@468 There is nothing about our biology that requires eating meat. However plant based diets make sense in many ways for our personal health and the health of our ecosystem. The healthiest diet is also the most ethical
@4543 I thought you supported anarchy. But when it comes to diet you're a statist? Ghee is an elixir. Been known to man for thousands of years. Also, mixed farms are way better for the environment and use less to none petrol-based fertilizer.
@468
Humans are biologically optimized to eat plant-based foods exclusively, even more so than other hominids, even more so than gorillas, which are almost exclusively herbivorous. Thus murdering animals when you have access to your natural food is evil.
@1264
It takes some delusional carnist mental gymnastics to arrive at that conclusion; in fact, anarchy is based in the recognition of natural rights, many of which apply to animals as well. Also, your last statement is moronic and completely untrue.
We're actually most similar to chimpanzees who also eat meat. Our cells consist mostly of fats. How are you going to get that by eating only plants? Especially considering a lot of nuts and legumes have phytic acid which is an anti-nutrient.
You are clueless about biology.
First of all, the body easily synthesizes all the fats it needs from carbohydrates.
Secondly, only some chimpanzees have been found to hunt smaller monkeys, and they eat an average of 2.5g of meat daily on average.
Re: the first point: not only are fats easily synthesized from carbohydrates, but our ideal gut microbiome consumes fiber, including many forms of cellulose, and excretes short-chain fatty acids for use as both energy and for other purposes.
Re: the second point: humans are the next step in evolution from the other hominids. Unlike them, our CMAH gene was deactivated 2 million years ago, rendering neu5gc a xenoglycan in our body, which is why it triggers inflammation and an immune response.
As for nuts and legumes, those are indeed not ideal human foods at all either, but infinitely better than meat. Humans are primarily starchi- and frugivorous, as evidenced by our significantly higher levels of alpha-amylase than almost every other mammal.
So how do you explain people thriving on carnivore diets? Don't get me wrong I'm not a fan of no carb diets, but I see people losing weight and lifting a lot of weight on their meat diets who are perfectly healthy. So your theory does not reflect reality.
No humans thrive on carnivore diets. Cultures relying on such diets are riddled with preventable disease like heart disease, and die much younger on average. People who eat that way at best get temporary symptom relief at the expense of long-term health.
Losing weight and temporarily being able to lift weights is not even remotely an indicator of health. People who eat that way destroy their microbiome, and invariably develop autoimmune disorders, heart disease, neurological disease, cancers, and the like.
That's provably false. Perhaps if you eat processed meats. That's just as unfair as calling all carbs bad because of processed carbs.
So are you vegan? How long have you been vegan? FYI I was vegan for five years so I'm familiar with the rhetoric.
@4543 it is obvious at this point that your feelings about ethical living have overcome your reasoning abilities on this topic. You鈥檝e completely ignored the incontrovertible evidence I鈥檝e already provided in favor of spouting barely relevant factoids.
a triggered snowflake, so much anger.
Look at his language, read his/her recent post. Projecting hisher inner feelings. sad
It's what happens when you deprive yourself of meat: Your mood gets worse. I can speak from experience.
It's not analogous to that at all, since meat doesn't belong near the human digestive system. And yes, I'm vegan, but that's an ethical stance, and has nothing to do with what I eat. I eat what humans are biologically optimized for.
@468
I've rebutted all the delusional excuses you've attempted to present as evidence thus far.
As for my mood, I can't even begin to describe how much it has improved since I started eating healthy food exclusively. It mostly has to do with the fact that I'm completely free of physical disease, something I never thought possible before.
Great so you only have mental disease left to beat then 馃憤馃徏
Not at all; with a light and healthy body, a clear and stable mind naturally follows. This is precisely why Patanjali put asana (posture) and breathwork (pranayama) before the mental part of the ashtanga (eight-limbed) yoga of his yoga sutras.
The best way to measure the effectiveness of your diet:
* You are getting more flexible
* You are getting stronger
* You increase your cardiovascular fitness
* You are healing old injuries
* You recover very fast from exercise
No arguments necessary
@4543 is speaking clearly and factually while some are jumping to accuse him of being a "triggered snowflake" and having "mental ilness"? And we vegans are the crazy ones?
@1126 well using language like rape torture murder is aggressive, hoping others enjoy being diseased is dark. Calling bullshit using terms carnist psychotic is very emotional based.
I might be wrong
@620
It's not aggressive at all, it's just painful for people who commit such atrocities to hear the truth.
Also, I never hope anyone becomes diseased; disease is the invariable result of carnism, like burning your hand if you put it on a hot stove.
The reality is that veganism is just a red herring issue propagated by those who seek to distract and divide opponents of state authority. They much prefer us debating the rights of livestock rather than potentially furthering our own cause.
I agree with vegans to the point that raising livestock on grains and soy, all bunched up and full of growth hormones and antibiotics is bad to consume. This will kill you. But so does consuming GMO plants.
Humans have always eaten meat. It's not evil.
They are simply animals. Plant food is cheap, min pollution, healthy. Dairy/animal waste is to become the largest polluter overtaking oil industry in the next decades. Vegans should complain about our tax use to subsidize dairy/meat farming. Free market.
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I can't eat wheat or corn as a result of GMOs. The whole food industry is fucked the real issue is greed