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The AI is correct. There is no historical record indicating large scale organized murder of Christians for the sake of being Christian in the soviet union. Most of the targetted killings of Christians happened during the civil war where the church supported the czar and consequently millions were killed in acts of retribution and power consolidation.

And your numbers are highly inflated. Where are you getting the 20 million of specifically targetted Christians? The Russian Orthodox Church itself only claims half a million.

After the end of the civil war and the rise of Stalin, religion in general was persecuted and hundreds of thousands of clergy were sent to gulags, along with every other race and religion. Again, an example of political and ideological power consolidation as opposed to targetted genocide of a particular community akin to the treatment of Jews by the nazis.

The AI admitted that 20 million is at the higher range of estimates.

Until very recently this was the number given by Wikipedia. Now it's gone.

Isn't it interesting how nobody in the Christian West learned in school about millions of murdered Christians?

It just wasn't convenient.

Well, the international socialists won the war... and international socialism is the preferred system of the power elite, because there is no greater power and control than centrally controlling resources.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democide
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Mass_killings_under_communist_regimes&wprov=rarw1#Red_holocausthttps://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democide

20 million is including collectivization policy and events like holodomor which were not targetted at Christians but were a case of socialist economic policy that got millions killed. Again, there's a difference between targetted genocide and incidental casualties. The Nazis killed up to 20 million during their aggression. A lot of those were Christians as well. But we don't focus on that because they were incidental deaths, not organized mass extermination targeting a specific group

The numbers of victims of Soviet commies range up to 148 million.

You can safely assume that most of them were Christians. Christianity was the sworn enemy of Soviet communism.

Incorrecr, if we are looking at the upper bounds from that Wikipedia you shared, that includes China, which has caused the most deaths. In which case the denominations facing the most casualties from communism would likely be tradiontal Chinese ideologies like Confuscionism, Taoism and Bhudism

True. I confused communist total victims with Soviet victims.

It is undeniable that soviets murdered dozens of millions of people, most of them Christians.

They openly stated that Christians were the enemy.

It is also undeniable that communist victims are traditionally downplayed, because of a strong left-collectivist bias in post WW2 West, especially Europe.

David B. Barrett estimates that the USSR murdered around 60 million people, half of them Christians. That's 30 million.

If we go further back in history and look at the entirety of people murdered for their religion, I think it is undeniable that Christians are BY FAR the most persecuted religion in history.

Do you think there's a religious group that suffered more victims?

The point is, ideologically, communism didn't target Christianity. Not in the same way that Nazism targetted Jews. It doesn't diminish the attrocities of the communists in any way, but it does go a long way to explain the reactions of the communities. Christian communities worldwide did protest and educate about the attrocities committed against them by communism. I'm sure that played a large part in US political attitudes towards left wing ideology during the cold war era.

The rise of leftism in Europe and later in the US is a different, but related discussion.

But if you look at the story of Jews in relation to the holocaust, its easy to see why it carries more weight. For one, it was several magnitudes more devastating to the worldwide population of Jews. At no point during the rise of communism did Christians outside of the specifically impacted countries worry about the survival of the Christian community in the world.

While during WW2, Jews had every reason to believe the rise of Nazism was an existential threat. Nearly a half of Jews worldwide were exterminated by it. And it wasn't clear that nazism would be defeated. For most of the war, it appeared Nazism would rule over most of Europe and Asia, where the vast majority of Jews lived. Can you imagine? An ideology with the express, explicit intention of exterminating your people, ruling over all the countries where your people reside?

It's no surprise then that the Jewish community, which already was the most influential group in media, would respond the way it did with the level of anti nazi propaganda that it did. And rightfully so.

So you believe the 6 million number?

Yes, do you have reason not to?

You mean besides Leuchter, the expert on the topic of executions, finding no sign of the use of gas anywhere except in a tiny chamber used to kill lice etc on clothing?

And the sheer alleged impossibility to burn 6 million corpses in the facilities in that timeframe?

And the fact that 6 million is literally a mythical Jewish number they talked about for ages before the Third Reich?

AFAIK the number for Auschwitz has been quietly lowered again and again.

Personally, I don't know. And neither do you. But those who doubt it are ridiculed, persecuted, imprisoned and attacked.

Those who believe it have the entire powerstructure, media and censorship behind them.

Guess it comes down to how much you trust authority and how inclined you are to travel to Europe...

Crazy, hateful, insane, far-right, toxic, sexist, racist and transphobe people think the number is around 200k.

Which would be terrible, but must be put in the context of a world War.

Fun fact: Hitler was a Zionist. He wanted all Jews to go to Palestina...

Personally, I think every single victim of collectivist insanity is a tragedy.

And criminalized speech and censorship are part of collectivist insanity.