The dislike of anarchy which has taken root in the BSV comm…

Wut

Anarchy literally means rulerlessness; it does not mean lawlessness.

In fact, it's only possible to have a just legal system under a state of anarchy, since any legal system under centralized governments invariably become corrupted.

Anarchy is a fantasy of the delusional.

That's the exact type of misguided notion I'm referring to.

That's like saying a decentralized monetary system is a fantasy, and that we should just use central banks whether we like it or not.

Centralization always leads to corruption.

BSV: Anarchy is bad, we need to comply with the State!

Also BSV: The State is unaccountable and lawless, we will bring accountability!

So we want to comply with a Lawless State? But not a Lawful Antistate. Gotcha .-.

Agreed, totally delusional.

I wish efforts like Tokenized the best 'n all, but it's peak naivete to believe that .gov will ever use an immutable, public ledger for anything.

They thrive in darkness. We must outcompete, not outcomply.

To the contrary, only an anarchy can be truly lawful.

Agreed.

There is no such thing as a lawful anti state.

We are all and will always be subjects of a ‘kingdom’. Our only hope is Gods kingdom, not mans. Man is corrupt to the bone.

You can have any of the above configurations. Many tribes + feudalists throughout history were Lawful Antistates. See Byzantium, the American West

I would argue that Lawful States are just as rare + less antifragile b/c they monopolize large land masses.

Early Christian Gnostics would have us all be Kings under God's fief, in contrast to the Demiurge.

It's no wonder the Catholics (Unlawful State) killed them all.

To be clear, I'm not some utopian ancap. Loose federation comes at great cost, like more gangs and risk of outside usurpation.

But I believe it's much better to "pick up and go" than be stuck in a single Lawless State. That's why we forked, no?

Humans are not inherently corrupt at all, and we absolutely do not need to be subject to anyone's kingdom any more than we need to be subject to a centralized monetary system.

Humans are sovereign; they must embrace that fact and act accordingly.

That's still just repeating the notion I've already pointed out is severely misguided. It's no different than saying "a decentralized monetary system will never be adopted; never!"

Anarchy is the inevitable consequence of a more honest and open society.

Ps the catholics are no christians. They hijacked it and are wolves in sheep's clothing.

“Humans are not inherently corrupt at all,”

History proves this comment incorrect on ever level.

I disagree and anarchy has ZERO chance of ever being adopted. ZERO chance.

Wrong. Just as there have been myriad humans who have done evil, there have been myriad humans who have done good.

Again, humans are sovereign beings of free will; evil is a choice, not inherent to human nature.

All that man as a whole has done is dominate his fellow man to his own injury on every level.

Take a look around. Wake up. You need God.

You make faulty generalizations. All humans are individuals, and very different from one another. Some people do what you describe, whereas others, like myself, do not at all seek to dominate anyone.

Humans have free will, they are not inherently evil.

Keep telling yourself that, history will continue to prove that opinion incorrect.

Anarchy cant compete with govts, find a way it can outcompete and you win. Problem is, there is always incentive for violence when violence is decentralized. Centralized violence(govt) removes it from the operation as far as businesses go.

@35 Konkin's "Agorist Primer" is a solid and pragmatic step in the right direction. But yes, probably not enough to defeat State monoliths.

Secessionism/alt-econ is a required interim step. Crypto is itself digital secessionism.

It's also incorrect on semantic grounds to say that "violence" can be decentralized. Violence means to infringe upon someone's rights, and should not be conflated with the rightful use of force, which does not constitute violence.

@35

Completely incorrect. See my latest post about polycentric law.

@35 We stand at a fascinating historical epoch whereby economic returns on violence are shrinking every day. The kind of opportunity that comes once every few Centuries.

@2 is an interesting cat to talk to in this regard.

Can you gimme a tl;dr?

Spoken exactly like a properly brainwashed slave.

You believe those ideas simply because they've been massively propagated by the very people who seek to maintain control over you.

Search your feelings, and you’ll know it to be true.

It doesn't matter if they actually ever adopt it, it's enough for the people to know that righteous money exists in the world and that their governments are actively avoiding using it to serve their own ends.

Anarcho-capitalism has nothing to do with utopia, and everything to do with freedom.

If knowledge of government injustice were enough to upset the apple cart, the Kennedy Coup D'etat would have been quickly overturned.

Public opinion polls of the era proved the numbers were there.

But nothing changed. Action > wishful thinking.

History does not prove people are evil, but it does prove governments are evil.

There's a big difference.

Anarchy is not adopted. Anarchy is merely the lack of tyranny.

@486 I am intrigued by your outlook in changing the optics of "righteous money"

How do you see this proceeding? Will BSV be at the forefront or will we steal momentum from other chains as State collusion becomes apparent, ie Epstein funding Blockstream?

@1850 you misunderstand my point. If politicians can't directly criticize bitcoin for being unlawful without losing credibility, there is nothing else that can stop it from reaching critical mass.

There is no greater evil than anarchy.

-Sophocles

Which is made up of people. I wasn't talking the individual but as a whole.

Union can achieve everything when sustained by gallant hearts and correct principles, while anarchy and insubordination must fail in the achievement of every thing beneficial and glorious to mankind.

-Sam Houston

@2307

The last quote is undoubtedly made by someone who doesn't understand the term anarchy. I'll give Sophocles the benefit of probably understanding what the term meant, but he was ignorant as to how it is in fact superior to the existence of states.

"Samuel Houston was an American soldier and politician."

Yeah, clueless person confirmed; doubly so, in fact.

I thought like you for a few years, so I can appreciate where you're coming from. I think that the various -archies evolve into one another cyclicly. I would recommend reading Plato's Republic, as that's where this conversation started.

That's a misguided notion as well, as there is a definite absolute direction in addition to any perceived cyclical evolution as well.

As for Plato's Republic, I've already read that and most other relevant works of Western (and Eastern) philosophy.

The Republic is not at all where the conversation started either, since Vedic and Kemetic philosophy far predates Hellenic philosophy. In fact, Advaita Vedanta can in many ways be seen as the ultimate case for the superiority of anarchy.

Ur original point is spotOn, but Plato simply said governmentTypes change cyclicly & predictably like seasons; this's proven correct. No governm'l state maintains-- all collapse. Argument shuld be: anarchy collapses bc evil folks eventually collapse it

Money historically transcended ALL govments-- aka GOLD for past 3,000 years. BSV is a new commodity-backed money w qualities superior to gold-backed money; it has a chance to replace gold but still steadfastly pervade world cultures no matter the gov'tType

@462

You are entirely correct about gold and money.

However, the point about government still remains; while there are indeed cycles, there's also an overall tendency to transcend towards a higher ideal of self-governance: a permanent state of anarchy.

The average citizen over millenia in Rome, Athens & Berlin would disagree with "long term move towards anarchy" hypotheses-- not to mention 100% of indigenous peoples such as Native Americans. I paid a tax rate > 55% during my best earning years...anarchy?

That's looking at it completely wrong. The reason for why that's currently the case is because we're currently living in the darkest and most depraved times imaginable; there are plenty of societies between those times which would rather compare favorably.

We're in the most prosperous and abundant time in human history