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Daniel made a good case against CORE and BTC, but I'm not sure a lot of it got through...

One of the main problems I see in this discussion is something I am very interested in:

The difference between order and control.

Vlad seemed rather unable to see the difference at all.

A free society would absolutely need and want order, and would be well advised to have tools that ensure order. Daniel called such a tool "traceability".

Order means that everyone has the exact same rights and operates under the exact same rules. And to have people and tools who defend that order. That's freedom.

Control, on the other hand, means that some people have special privileges to violate other people’s individual rights with impunity. That's statism, collectivism.

What you call order Kant would call the "categorical imperative" or what has also been called "moral universalism".

What I've seen since Bitcoin got going is that nobody is really thinking about making anarchocapitalism work. They all want to escape the government. However, a universal system of escape would mean that we couldn't really have any society.

Personally, I don't think there's a way to turn a late-cycle civilization into a free society. Non-producers above and below profit from redistribution of wealth created by the productive class.
And those in the productive class who manage to get rich usually find the statist system rather comforting and safe.
Then there's an entire army of dependent people who vote for more redistribution and would burn everything to the ground if they lost the hand-outs they perceive as "their fair share".
A network of people who respect and defend (property) rights may become more feasible in a post-colapse period, at least the incentives would become much stronger.
This being said, in our personal life we can already live as independent as possible from the statist collectivist system that is quite occupied with trying to keep together what is already drifting apart - by increasingly totalitarian means.
Society as a whole may not want to become free from rulers, but those who do are free to live quite freely in the shadows of the tumbling colossus, form networks of cooperation and develop ethical frameworks guiding their interactions.
I'm not sure how a traceable ledger is helpful to their endeavors given the circumstances, though. They may prefer to keep their business away from the prying eyes of the leperous leviathan.
I have suspected for quite a while that it is either the state, or uncrippled Bitcoin, but not both at the same time. They seem to be mutually exclusive.
Bitcoin would be an amazing tool once the cycle of civilization has run its course once again and new beginnings are possible.