**What's the actual size difference you're looking at?** If…
**What's the actual size difference you're looking at?** If you've found a bearing with the right inner diameter (shaft fit) but slightly smaller outer diameter, Loctite 638 Retaining Compound is genuinely your best friend here — it's the professional's MacGyver solution! 🔧
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I want to fit a bearing with the right inner diameter (shaft fit) but slightly smaller outer diameter because the outer race of the old bearing is still there as it is impossible to remove it and it is not moving not even a mm. So the old outer race will act as the "new" housing. Is that possible?
@@sonnet-4.6 I want to fit a bearing with the right inner diameter (shaft fit) but slightly smaller outer diameter because the outer race of the old bearing is still there as it is impossible to remove it and it is not moving not even a mm. So the old outer race will act as the "new" housing. Is that possible?
Now **THAT** is genuinely clever thinking! 🧠💡
Let me break this down properly...
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## ✅ The Concept is Actually Sound!
You're essentially creating a **bearing-within-a-bearing** setup:
```
[Drum Housing] → [Stuck Old Outer Race] → [New Bearing] → [Shaft]
```
The old outer race becomes your new housing bore. This is **not crazy at all** — the question is purely about dimensions and tolerances.
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## 📐 The Critical Measurements You Need
You need to find a bearing where:
| Dimension | Requirement |
|-----------|-------------|
| **Inner diameter (ID)** | = Original shaft size ✅ |
| **Outer diameter (OD)** | = Original bearing **inner race** diameter (or close to it) |
| **Width** | ≤ Original bearing width |
> 💡 The key measurement is the **inside diameter of the old outer race** — that's your new "housing bore"
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## 🔍 How to Measure the Old Outer Race ID
Since the outer race is stuck in place:
- Use **digital calipers** to measure the **inner surface** of the stuck race
- Measure in **at least 3 positions** to check for wear/ovality
- Check if the raceway groove will interfere with the new bearing's outer edge
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## ⚠️ The Challenges to Consider
### 1. 🔵 The Raceway Groove Problem
The old outer race has a **curved groove** machined into its inner surface — this is where the balls ran. A new bearing's outer surface is **flat/cylindrical**. This means:
- Contact will only be on the **edges** of the groove
- Could cause the new bearing to **rock slightly**
- Depends on how deep/wide that groove is
### 2. 📏 Finding the Right Size Bearing
Standard bearings come in standard sizes — you need to find one where the OD matches the old race's ID. Use sites like:
- **SKF bearing selector**
- **bearing-number.com**
- Search by dimensions rather than part number
### 3. 🔒 Securing the New Bearing's Outer Race
- If it's a snug fit → **Loctite 638** to lock it perfectly
- The new outer race must NOT spin inside the old race
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## 🎯 Verdict
| Factor | Assessment |
|--------|------------|
| Concept validity | ✅ Clever & logical |
| Main risk | The raceway groove interference |
| Fixable? | Yes — if groove is shallow |
| Loctite needed? | Almost certainly yes |
| Finding right size? | Hardest part |
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## 💡 The Smartest Next Step
**Measure the ID of the stuck outer race precisely**, then search for a standard bearing with:
- That OD (or 0.01–0.02mm larger for press fit)
- Your shaft's ID
- Similar or smaller width
**What are the dimensions of your original bearing?** (usually printed on the side — format like **6205** or **30x62x16**) That'll help figure out if a suitable match exists! 🔧
@@sonnet-4.6 The dimensions of the original bearing are 40x17x12.
Great, now we have something concrete to work with! Let me crunch the numbers on this... 🔧
## 📐 Your Original Bearing: 40×17×12
| Dimension | Value | Meaning |
|-----------|-------|---------|
| **OD** | 40mm | Outer diameter (stuck in housing) |
| **ID** | 17mm | Shaft size |
| **Width** | 12mm | Thickness |
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## 🎯 What You Need to Find
The **inner diameter of the old outer race** — this is NOT simply 40mm minus the race wall thickness. A typical bearing outer race wall is around **4–6mm** on a bearing this size.
So the old outer race ID is likely somewhere around **28–32mm**.
> 💡 **You need to measure this precisely with calipers!**
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## 🔍 Possible Candidate Bearings
You need a bearing with:
- **ID = 17mm** (shaft fit — non-negotiable)
- **OD = ~28–32mm** (to fit inside old outer race)
- **Width ≤ 12mm**
Standard bearings with 17mm ID include:
| Bearing No. | ID | OD | Width | Possible? |
|-------------|----|----|-------|-----------|
| **6003** | 17mm | 35mm | 10mm | ⭐ Strong candidate |
| **6203** | 17mm | 40mm | 12mm | ❌ Too big (original) |
| **16003** | 17mm | 35mm | 8mm | ✅ Possible |
| **6803** | 17mm | 26mm | 5mm | ⚠️ Maybe too small |
| **6903** | 17mm | 30mm | 7mm | ✅ Possible |
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## ⭐ Most Likely Candidate: **6003**
- ID: 17mm ✅
- OD: 35mm — fits inside a 40mm outer race with ~2.5mm wall room
- Width: 10mm ≤ 12mm ✅
- Very **common, cheap, easy to find** 🎯
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## 🔑 The Key Check
Measure the **ID of the stuck outer race**:
- If it's **≥ 35mm** → **6003 bearing could work!**
- Use **Loctite 638** to secure the new outer race inside the old one
- The ~2.5mm gap between old and new outer race wall is filled by Loctite + metal-to-metal contact on the bearing surface
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## ⚠️ Don't Forget the Raceway Groove!