It appears that egalitarianism is a human instinct around t…

CosmosStag ·

It appears that egalitarianism is a human instinct around the world. However, the original Indo-Eurpeans appeared to be staunch anti-egalitarians who believed in breeding humans for better qualities the same as they did with herd animals. Two books I have read talk about this. "Selective Breeding and the Birth of Philosophy" is on the attitude of the ancient greeks, and "A New Nobility of Blood and Soil" is about the old Germans before Christianity.

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CosmosStag ·

The book "The State" by Oppenheimer is a theoretical work that describes the Indo-European way of life. Oppenheimer says that the state begins when a violent group of pastoralists takes over a group of agriculturalists and herds them as they did with their cows or sheep. This is how the Indo-Europeans lived. They expanded into new places and made a lower class out of the locals. The took over Greece and started the classical age. They started the caste system in India and in China they created the Han dynasty.

metamitya ·

In Will to Power, which I barely understand, Nietzsche appears to argue that Christianity was a morality for the submission of the strong, represented by the Ancient Greeks, in favor of the weak

metamitya ·

and by ancient Greek, I mean like really ancient... like before Plato as Nietzsche places his ideas as the pre-cursor ideology to Christianity

CosmosStag ·

Plato is best understood as a narcissist whose political ideas promote rule by intellectuals rather than by the strong. Platonism is how we got to where we are to day with bureaucracies running everything.
Neitzsche characterized Christianity as a similar trick that aimed to keep people enslaved and easy to rule. I would say that Christianity has been good for people who are already enslaved, but it has also been good for enslaving free people.

CosmosStag ·

This book "Selective Breeding and the Birth of Philosophy" has a lot on Plato.

Y ·

Nietzsche didn't believe in universal ethics/morality. He believed in might is right, as any consistent materialist does. From that perspective it's not about good/evil, but about "good for me/us" "bad for me/us". Enslaving people is good when we do it, but bad if they do it to us. It's all perspective, moral relativism. Christianity on the other hand, and I say that as someone who can’t claim to be a Christian, has probably done more against slavery than anything else in history by proclaiming that every human being has value (and therefore individual rights). Christianity has, of course, been corrupted by power and it certainly didn't always deliver what it promised, but without it slavery would probably be as common today as it was in Rome or Babylon.

CosmosStag ·

Morality exists because society is better than no society and society requires rules in order to exist. That is an explanation for morality that does not depend on any extra metaphysical categories.
Christianity says that you should turn the other cheek to your enemies. That's a good way to be abused and become enslaved.
Other people are valuable because they can be productive. This is why capitalism is so good, because it makes everybody more valuable to one another.

Y ·

I have never found a way to get to universal ethics without metaphysics. I can see how you can easily get to some kind of ethics/morality like "you shouldn't harm anyone INSIDE of our ingroup", but outside of the ingroup everyone seems to be fair game. Without metaphysics, why would it be evil to murder/enslave the entire neighboring tribe that competes with your tribe for resources?

Y ·

As for "turning the other cheek" again, I'm not a Christian (maybe an esoteric Christian), but I think there are different ways to interpret that. Taking it as a rule to never defend yourself or those around you against aggressors seems like a pretty wild interpretation to me. Imagine Jesus saying "when they come and slaughter your child, bring them the rest of your children." Makes no sense.

HamedDalijeh ·

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