@6345 River trolltolled me because she doesn’t want to hear…

After CDC whistleblowers and several independent studies showing that vaccinated children are much sicker than unvaccinated, I am skeptical about any vaccine.

The covid vaccine is entirely experimental.
It doesn't even have a normal license...

With fear of being told I have ‘the wrong tone’ for asking you to cite that, please may you cite that. I haven’t come across it & I will read through.

Read the thread below the information you are looking for is linked.

This video is a great start:
https://youtu.be/f1L_UWTkFf4
https://twetch.app/t/4f97e347e6db03c8774fd11882887e2b182f792bfe2b6851b09d6f59bfcf7e7c

I’m going to work but I’ll pick this apart this evening, my initial reaction to the video tho is ‘often mild diseases’?! Smallpox (#throwback), malaria and recent trials for an HIV vaccine. These are not mild diseases.

Just don't wast your time with distractions.

We have now several studies showing that vaccinated people are significantly more sick than unvaccinated, studies our governments and big pharma have told us shouldn't be conducted because of ethical reasons...

Absolutely agree with you. Do I think shady things are happening with the vaccine rollout? Yes. Does that discount the quality research and efficacy of vaccines in general? No. There's a middle ground here. We need vaccines

Exactly 😩 the lab researchers that have slaved away years in university are not getting paid enough to be part of some world-domination scheme 😭

Truth, I know some of them: epidemiologists, researchers, professors... they're good well meaning people who are working extremely hard to help the spread of this virus

Stop*

I don’t understand the fear of this virus for anyone under 70 years old with normal lifestyles and average health? I really don’t understand why positive improvements to diet and exercise aren’t being pushed as hard as vaccinations. I can guess tho

Mmm Yh here in the U.K. I find it despicable that they had ‘eat out to help out’ whilst gyms were closed last year. I had a friend whose auntie was mid-30s with no known underlying health conditions who died due to it. We just don’t know enough about it.

It’s not just the risk of getting long-COVID or dying though. It’s every time the virus passes through someone it may mutate to become stronger. Like antibiotics.

Mutations are always a thing and vaccines will always be lagging after them. Would you keep the current state of lockdowns and masks indefinitely? The only proven method for dealing with viruses that mutate is immunity over time

Outliers happen sadly. My state has been open for the last year. We have a large population of elderly bc they tend to come here for retirement. Our numbers are on the low end of avg

I'm not sure it's fear as much as it is pragmatism. Viruses mutate, and we're basically playing Russian roulette unless we get enough people vaccinated/immune before it mutates into something really nasty that's also resistant; which will happen eventually

Interesting. So you don’t think ppl are actually afraid of the virus but of what it could be? I tend to think ppl just like being able to tell others what to do.
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The only other instance I’ve heard of ppl quarantined and masked was the 1918 Spanish Flu that was much deadlier than c19

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Yes, because the Spanish flu was a respiratory illness

I don't think there's much genuine fear (probably a lot of anxiety) but there will be fear if a worse mutation takes hold. And it's the fear of people en mass that the really scary part of all of this -- when survival mode kicks in: historical atrocities

There are researchers who argue in favor of the vaccine and others who warn against it.

When you say WE need vaccines, who do you mean? If you trust the politicians and scientists pushing vaccines take as many vaccines as you wish.

Thle people who trust the scientists warning against the experimental vaccine for a problem that doesn't even exist for most people don't take the vaccine.

Where's the problem?

There's only a problem because of a suspicious global vaccination agenda.

Found this interesting
https://coronavirus.nautil.us/deadliest-pandemics-in-history-coronavirus/

The problem is the collectivist coercion being applied to make everyone conform and shame those who refuse to give away their individual rights

Saying WE need the vaccines is like saying we need surgery

I'm watching the human trials with interest, though

Here's an example of a world renown expert who has criticized the reaction to covid from the very beginning.

He was immediately ostracized, censored and called crazy. After a long career in the field. Science?

https://www.bitchute.com/video/eMDtqBAlHRTu/

When I say "we", I simply mean as a species. There used to be ~40% chance of infant mortality before vaccines came along. They work. The evidence is there. Do I believe in coercion, absolutely not. But, there are trade-offs and consequences

I don't trust people, I evaluate evidence; hence why I know the probability of Craig Right being Satoshi is 99.9999999...%. but that evidence needs to be gathered and presented in a way that eliminates as much variability as possible or its discredited

There was a much higher infant mortality before the AK-47 was invented.

Correlation doesn't imply causation.
I showed you the graph, you didn't comment.

You believe in coercion, you made that clear already.

Evidence suggests that vaccines make people sick.

This was a great talk with Dr. Ronda Patrick and Dr. Roger Seheult:

https://www.foundmyfitness.com/episodes/roger-seheult

I find this presentation quite interesting:

https://youtu.be/hBRwY-gFTio

there will be consequences to your consequences... bring it

And make sure you watch both parts of this:

https://youtu.be/QhNTV4ekYVc

Once you accept that the science isn't 'settled' that there is no such thing as 'scientific consensus' which just means politicized science, once you realize the unholy union of government and pharma, you will see that vaccine passports are entirely insane

There's no *your*? I don't write laws nor enforce them...

I've already accepted that. And I'm totally willing and open to new evidence. I never claimed vaccines are a panacea but that the evidence is there showing that they work and shouldn't be feared and demonized. The evidence you keep providing is poor.

The vidence presented by Dr. Suzanne Humphries is poor?

You are surely joking?

She presents you with all relevant studies and research, she gives you the information you need to look it all up and verify and you call that poor?

I don't know what to say.

You now have access to information that can help you understand the 'other side'.

Scientists presenting their evidence instead of irrational science-deniers as you seem to have imagined.

Do with this information as you wish.
Ignoring it is a bad idea.

https://medium.com/@visualvaccines/why-dr-suzanne-humphries-an-anti-vaccine-activist-is-lying-to-you-about-measles-ce446d0a7e0f

Sounds like another Andrew Wakefield

I'm aware of this blog.
Please don't tell me this is all you got.

Look, it's really simple.
There are people like me who see that the studies governments refused to do that compare vaccinated and unvaccinated clearly show that the latter are healthier.

And therefore I don't want vaccines, least of all experimental ones like for covid

And then there's other people who hope that government officials and pharma are just trying to help

And I think thats great
Adults make informed decisions
Live & let live.

And what gives anyone the right to enforce made up laws? Nothing. Your belief in authority which there is NONE.

Check this book out. It gives a really nice summary of why government is necessary.

Political Order and Political Decay by Francis Fukuyama on Audible. https://www.audible.ca/pd/B072LKCL85?source_code=ASSOR150021921000R

Your opinion bro. Not truth.

If you want and need a government have one by any means. Just like those who want and need a helmet when walking should absolutely wear a helmet.

The problem with statism is that it forces those who don't want or need gov to take part and finance it. Bad.

It's not though. It based in historical fact. Show me an example of a time when anarchy worked? Show me an anarchist society that's survived long enough to be considered a society... It's an unrealistic pipe dream

History is not the future. Anarchy means no rulers Greek origin. An, Archon. I am telling you no one has the AUTHORITY to rule over me. I understand the past.

Can I rule over you? I could absolutely get elected.

Hypocritical. The only reason you can even say that is because of the institutions that exist to protect your inalienable rights. If we didn't have strong institutions, if anarchy prevailed, we would wind up in a dictatorship. It's happened, many times

If you get enough votes and convince enough people to alter constitutions and laws, then yes you could theoretically. But that's why those things exist; to protect against that because having an absolute ruler is generally a bad idea

Are you aware that statism (systematic exploitation) isn't even 10.000 years old?
It isn't the norm, it's the exception, a blink n eye in human history...

Apparently not and it's no surprise.
The state controls education.
Start learning for yourself.